But "they" said it was waterproof

It wasn't raining, this was trapped in the deck.

Times are tough, I understand being thrifty and looking for the best deals out there. When it comes to waterproofing your decks and patio's or any horizontal surface my thought is be cost effective and thrifty. Here are some examples from Park City, an area that is suffereing serious water related issues from a combination of product choice and poor installation.

Solid surface decking is a great choice, why not make the most of the space you have outside. It can be an outstanding place to entertain your friends and family. I think in many cases the home owner's decison on products has been based on the finished look as much as cost.

This deck was over a garage and there are at least three different products that we found. so many in fact that we were conserned about the weight. It appears that the original attempt was to have an exposed aggrigate or "pebble" style finish on the deck. It failed and it was no wonder, where was the waterproofing? The second attempt was another dose of the same type design. Can you believe it failed too! The reason why? No waterproofing. As the old layers were being torn away I noticed water leaking out the garage below and running down the driveway. The home owner originally called because there was water leaking into the garage so it made sence.


The visible water leaking into the garage is what raised a flag. In truth this had been going on a very long time. The multiple layers had not stopped the water from leaking through, it was trapping it below and that was rotting the substrate. Here you can see how wet the wood was, it was actually puddling during the tearoff. The water was leaking out the door below and onto the deck becasue there was nothing to hold it any longer.

The failed product was coming up in large chuncks and this is what was below. This was directly above the water leaking out the garage to the diveway. As they tore off the old it was allowing more water to flow through the holes.

It was fortunate for the home owner that they had so many layers on the deck, somebody could have been seriously hurt falling throught here.

In our experience the details is where waterproofing gets difficult. Here there simply is no excuse for what was done. In each application of product all they did was go up to the edge of the wooden post and stop. Anyone can see that water will get into the shrinkage cracks, this will leak below and casue the wood to expand as well.

One of the layers was a liquid applied membrane. Not sure how you can get a liquid to go up a column and stay but only butting it up to it obviously doesn't work either.



Finally to the bottom layer. Although the wood had not rotted yet you can see the rust from a layer of metal that was used, probably to help reduce movement. All it did was rust from the amount of moisture seeping in.

MBL, they take it from leaking to WOW

Great project, see article below.

This beautiful home and two outstanding decks are made for outdoor entertaining. The only problem is the seemingly endless expense of repair. The home owner was clear they are tired of being told "stories" from contractors and having to pay and pay. As we began discussing the Duradek options they quickly went from a classy design to the Tiledek membrane. I would have to agree for as nice a view and the amount they entertaining they do; Tiledek was an excellent choice.
The lower level is over living space and had suffered some leaking and water damages. Over head is the upper deck, basically the roof of the lower deck and it too had a small area over living space.

There was a liquid applied coating of some type applied over a plywood substrate that had failed once and when called the installation company charged them more money to add another coat to "fix" the problem. Not long after the problem was back and the leaking continued. Why? that is what the home owner didn't understand. Why did it happen and why would somebody make all the promises etc about the product? Part of this falls on the home owner to actually investigate the product and get the history, warranty, experience, training.

It doesn't take much to look up a products approvals if they have any or simply tell the installation company you want to see the ICC approvals before they do anything. Make sure that they meet building code and if not sure call the local building inspector for assistance. This is a good example of being sold a poor product that does not have the proper approvals for a deck over living space. With just a minutes time a layman can see that coatings in general are allowed to retain up to 15% moisture, so how can that be considered waterproof? It's just smoke and mirrors, creative marketing.

For this job a couple of bids from Duradek trained installers had inspected the decks and each submitted a formal bid. MBL of Kaysville, UT was awarded the job. First thing was to determine what kind of water damages had been done under the coating, It looked good above while the significant damage was happening below. While tearing up the damaged substrate they came upon the cause of the ponding water on the deck too. The deck surface had been designed with plenty of slope but there was a problem between trades during the build. The brick siding was actually higher than the substrate itself. here is where somebody should have addressed the issue but didn't. Rather then correcting the problem they simply added another sheet of 1/2 plywood to the already installed 3/4inch, closer but still lower than the brick. Ultimately what was done was the substrate was laying on top of the brick causing a reverse slope and that is why the water would pond around the outer edge. Once this was found the only way to properly correct the problem was to tear off the old substrate and re sheet it with new plywood. The joist's had 1/4 in 12" slope all ready on them but still lower than the brick, a 2x2 was glued and screwed to the joist providing proper height over the brick and excellent slope

With the new plywood down the next step was to use Mapei's Ultaflex 2 as a bond coat and Durarock cement board screwed down. One of the concerns when considering using tile or stone outdoors is movement and this step aids greatly in reducing any movement and thus problems with the tiles popping or cracking. Durarock (like all the other product used) approves of their cement board being used in this application. This is significant because it eliminates the optional finger pointing and "blaming" of wrong products used thus causing the failure.

Mapei's Ultra Flex 2 was used as a bond coat for the CBU as well as being screwed down.For the outer edge Duradek's PVC coating drip edge was installed allowing the Tiledek membrane to be welded to it providing a water tight finish.
Tiledek 60 mil membrane meets or exceeds a multitude of needs on this job, we bring roofing standards and practices to the tile industry. The TCNA (Tile Council of North America) calls out for a roofing membrane to be used when using tile over living space but stops short of specifying a thickness. Yet when roofing 60 mil is required over living space, so why the gap?



Once the Tiledek membrane is fully adhered it is ready for tile. Here the deck was large enough that the tile setters where already installing the tile while the membrane was getting the finishing details. Mapei's Granirapid thinset was used for setting the tile.

Imagine the delight of sitting on your new beautiful tile deck with your friends and family, barbecuing, relaxing and taking in the view.

Outdoor living, not just a deck

Outdoor living space adds value to your home!
So many of us have decks, flat roofs, balconies and porches that are done like everyone else in the valley. For years a wood plank deck was the thing to do, mainly because it is the least expensive. Soon the excitement of the new deck turns into a annual maintenance and repair headache. The resulting costs and time can be frustrating and replacement is inevitable.
What's the next best thing? You can get the same general appearance of a wood deck by using composite materials. These are easy to come by from name brands or even the local Home Depot and Lowe's for the do it yourself-er. The problem is the same but you have bought some time: the wood supports and trusses are rotting. True the composite materials are waterproof and they will not rot. They will fade, can splinter, stain or discolor and water will leak through them just like the old deck. Again to by some time pressure treated wood can be used or required and the chemicals that are used will add a little time. While those chemicals are being washed into the ground over the years they to will begin to rot and need to be replaced.
Both of these and others may be the "popular" thing but what do they do for the resale value of your home? Do you look at the decks, flat roofs, balconies and patios that are in need of repair as investments for your home? Will the products you choose add value to your home?
Just for a minute think of these areas as outdoor living space, not much different than your living room or family room. Would like to have an area that can provide you with the opportunity to entertain and relax while taking advantage of our awesome Utah views? With the more than twenty Duradek colors and designs any outdoor area can be converted to a long lasting, low maintenance entertaining area. Unlike the previous decks this meets code as a roofing membrane so go ahead and take advantage of the space underneath. Storage? Now you have the space. Place for the hot tub so you don't get cold water dripping on you? Perfect. Get all the stuff out of the garage so you can use it for the car. Great idea. This is where your investment begins to pay off. Now the area underneath become usable space, completely dry and ready for you to take advantage of however you like. By using this process you have made excellent use of your time and money so have some friends and family over and entertain them in your new outdoor living area. While they are wowed with the changes you made you can relax knowing that your annual maintenance will be a with a hose washing of the deck. Don't worry about the snow and freeze thaw; rock salt, ice melt, shovel it, no problem.
Now you are thinking about the cost of something like this. It's OK we think about it too. The old fashion wood deck would be the least expensive and you can do it yourself. The composite materials are more expensive and again if you think your up to it you can do it yourself. The same area done with a membrane which offers you so much more has a material cost that would be less than the do it yourself composite choice! BUT, this is not a do it yourself project. Only professional company trained installers are used. You are no longer simply building a deck area you are investing in your home, most will agree this is not the time to try and cut the initial amount you spend. Doing it the right way the first time will provide you with well over a decade of use and you are saving the annual repair and maintenance cost of wood decks.When was the last time you walked outside sat down and relaxed with no deck worries?

Waterproof -Vs- Coatings and cheap alternitives

We have over the years written numerous articles on coatings, cost and simple but common mistakes made. In just the last few weeks I have heard from countless contractors and builders that are so tired of the water damages on exterior surfaces that they just don't want to do them anymore. I can certainly understand the frustration from the many, many silly creations that we have torn up to use our true waterproof membranes over simple plywood. It drives me nuts to meet with a home owner and talk about how much money they have waisted and when they hear what the replacement is going to cost the fact that is is less than what they did originally I can see the skepticism in their eyes.

Lets go over this job, the finished work in shown above with the beautiful view of the Wasatch Mountains in the distance. What had been installed before was a few different attempts at waterproofing and here is your first tip.

1. If you want waterproof then make sure the product being used can back up it's claim to being waterproof.
   
   
   

I have learned that when a contractor is given the responsibility to come up with a waterproof surface they use their experience of past work. Then they add redundancy because that should add some insurance, if the first thing fails then the other might work? Nice try but rarely actually works that way. Here you can see what is several inches of different products stacked on each other. It all failed and was torn up once and for all get rid of the water leaking issues.

2. Do you know that most coating have an ongoing maintenance program that require you to re coat the surface every couple years. If you fail to do so what do you think happens when you have a failure?

So once it was torn off and thrown away then what? Back to basic construction, get down to plywood, ensure you have proper slope and glue the membrane right to the plywood. As you can see from this next picture that is what was done. Just like throwing your money in the garbage the old failed products were removed, as was the beautiful rail as well as a result of the wood getting damaged from water exposure.



I could only venture a guess as to what was spent on this rail and the failed materials that were tossed. I can with great confidence say the new deck cost significantly less money and will last for decades without any need for on going maintenance. If it gets dirty just wash it off, after all it is waterproof, not water resistant.







We are in the business of waterproofing horizontal outdoor surfaces, that is all we do. If you have concerns or are not sure of your options contact us.

Dekmax and Tiledek featured!

We are so thrilled to have garnished the attention of Richard Bergman
He has a huge amount of information regarding Decking Materials of all types, Projects, Tips and Advice, Design and Planning Information, etc.
According to Richard, "Vinyl is Where the Future is Heading."

We were done as a feature on his web site and you can see it here-

www.ideas-for-deck-designs.com/

Richard also has lots of information on waterproofing, low maintenance vinyl decking and you can take a look here -
http://www.ideas-for-deck-designs.com/vinyl-decking.html

The work that Dekmax was featured on was a Tiledek job. We completely waterproofed the area then a professional tile setter came to handle the installation of the tile. The comments from the tile setter were "I wish every job had this stuff on it, it bonds extremely well."

The Dekmax website has a link on the first page top right side.

Winter work

Another significant difference between us and the compitition, we work all year. True we have some pretty cold temperatures and that alone prevents the use of just about all other products.

Here are a few shots of a project in Logan UT. These are from the period just before Christmas to the end of January. The first building was done with no protective covering on it, rain casued the use of the tarps, but that was needed for the stucco crew. The decks are done before the stucco guys get started so plastic was used to to cover them to protect from water before installation.

The pictures don't really tell the whole story. On the days that I took these pictures it was below zero F. Yet the decks were being done and the contractor was ahead of schedule, not a common practice in the dead of winter with these kind of temps.

Duradek-Tiledek-Plazadek, have it your way

The Duradek brand is synonymous with waterproofing walkable roofs and decks. If there was one thing that may have limited them it was the finished look of the product. True they have more than twenty-five colors and designs but still some like a different look. The challenge is what product can provide you with the same high level of confidence in waterproofing and allow you to have the desired look too? Duradek has listened and now has more offerings to provide you with both.

If you stay with the lowest cost product then you are working with the Duradek vinyl but you can still use your own design ideas to get the look you want. Two tone surfaces are becoming more and more popular these days and the solid colors compliment the patterns well. Use you imagination and design whatever you want we will be glad to work with you.

Perhaps you are one of those that really likes the look of a wood deck or maybe a paver system? Well then Plazadek is for you! You get the same confidence in waterproofing but we have reduced some of the cost by eliminating the slip resistant ridges and colors, its going to be covered up after all. Want to install a sleeper system but not sure how to do it without putting screws through the membrane? We can help.

If you want to most incredible outdoor area there is then Tiledek opens new doors. Installing tile outdoors is a great way to enhance the beauty of your home and you can do it with confidence knowing it will be waterproof for decades to come.